Frog Bog Hay

Frog Bog Hay We grow mixed pasture hay especially for horses. The aim is to produce a good quality low-moderate

Finally we have results and once again we have a bunch of low sugar and some very low sugar hay. Its all spoken for at t...
31/01/2026

Finally we have results and once again we have a bunch of low sugar and some very low sugar hay. Its all spoken for at the moment, but I'll post again if any becomes available. If you are on the list then I'll be in touch with you this morning about pickup/delivery.

ARGT results are in and it's negative, which is good. This is a composite sample from 75 bales over four paddocks. Feed ...
20/01/2026

ARGT results are in and it's negative, which is good. This is a composite sample from 75 bales over four paddocks.

Feed testing samples still en route to the US testing facility and I hear that customs is slow (thanks Donald) so apologies that you still don't have hay on trucks. I have about 3 tested old season bales that we saved for ourselves and didn't need if anyone needs them. Hope you all had a fantastic break.

Happy Christmas and New Year to you all! Hay should be baled tomorrow and then two or three more weeks for sampling and ...
30/12/2025

Happy Christmas and New Year to you all! Hay should be baled tomorrow and then two or three more weeks for sampling and posting and waiting for the results. Based on EOIs we don't have any more hay available, sorry, but if your name is on the list then I'll be in touch when we get results.

And this is why we send our hay to the US for testing even though it takes ages, customs forms are a pain, and more $$$ ...
22/11/2025

And this is why we send our hay to the US for testing even though it takes ages, customs forms are a pain, and more $$$ than NIR in Australia. Thanks to Feed Your Steed for explaining so well.

🌾 NIR vs Wet Chemistry β€” Why WA Hay MUST Be Tested Properly
(And Why Some Reports Can’t Be Taken at Face Value)

🎯 WA horse owners β€” if you’re relying on NIR hay reports, you may be making feeding decisions on numbers that aren’t real. WA hay is unique, and because it’s not in national calibration libraries, NIR often produces misleading results.

I’ve had a few of our WA hay producers ask why I send so many of our hay samples over to the USA for testing, and I completely understand the question. From the outside, it can look unusual, or like we’re being awkward or making things harder than they need to be.

The truth is much simpler. We use overseas labs because they give us the most accurate numbers for the unique chemistry of WA hay β€” especially for sugars, starch, and minerals. Our goal is never to complicate anything; it’s to protect horses, give producers honest data, and make sure the results we’re using are scientifically reliable. There are very real reasons why we choose these labs, and why it matters for equine health in WA.

β˜• Settle in with a cuppa or a tipple of whatever takes your fancy. This Facebook post is for every WA horse owner, hay producer, and equine professional.

πŸ” The Two Testing Pathways
πŸ”¬ Wet Chemistry (WC)
β€’ Chemical digestion + combustion + enzymatic assays for sugars
β€’ Proper mineral testing via ICP-OES or ICP-MS
β€’ ⏳ Slower & pricier
β€’ βœ… Globally the gold standard (Williams & Norris, 2001)

🌈 NIR (Near-Infrared Spectroscopy)
β€’ ⚑ Quick, cheap, repeatable
β€’ ❌ Does not measure nutrients β€” it predicts them using calibration libraries (Saha & Lumburg, 2016)

⭐ Why WA Breaks NIR
Most commercial NIR systems were built using east-coast forages such as ryegrass, lucerne, clover, vetch and east-coast oaten hay (Jeong et al., 2024).

WA forage grows under completely different conditions:
β€’ 🟀 Iron-rich sands
β€’ πŸ₯‰ Low copper & zinc soils
β€’ β˜€οΈ Hot, dry Mediterranean climate
β€’ 🌾 Different cereal cultivars
β€’ ⏱️ Rapid curing due to dry air + strong sun, which increases:
– bleaching (UV)
– leaf shatter (legumes & soft oaten cultivars)
– loss of soluble carbohydrates
– higher fibre from leaf loss
β€’ 🌱 Variable ryegrass presence depending on paddock history

➑️ The spectral fingerprints don’t match.
NIR begins guessing outside its experience β€” and accuracy collapses.

πŸ“Š Calibration Reality
A valid NIR model requires:
β€’ 800–1,000+ wet-chemistry samples per forage type (Saha & Lumburg, 2016)
β€’ 200+ new wet-chem samples per year to stay accurate (AFGC, 2019)

❌ No Australian NIR system has this for WA hay.
➑️ NIR numbers drift β€” badly.

⚠️ Typical WA NIR Distortions
β€’ πŸ’ͺ Crude Protein β†’ +15–20% too high
β€’ 🍬 WSC + Starch β†’ 20–30% too low
β€’ 🌾 Fibre β†’ underestimated
β€’ πŸ§ͺ Minerals β†’ not measurable
πŸ‘‰ This is why hay that β€œlooks laminitis-safe” on NIR can still spike insulin.

❌ Why NIR Cannot Measure Minerals
NIR only detects vibrations of organic molecules β€” chemical bonds like
C–H, O–H, N–H.

What does β€œC–H, O–H, N–H” even mean?
These are the tiny chemical bonds inside plants that NIR can detect:
β€’ C–H β†’ found in carbohydrates, fats, fibre
β€’ O–H β†’ found in water, sugars, cellulose
β€’ N–H β†’ found in amino acids & proteins

When NIR light hits these bonds, they vibrate.
That vibration is what the machine β€œreads.”

But here’s the important part:
Minerals don’t have ANY of these bonds.
No C–H, O–H, or N–H bonds =
❌ no vibration
❌ no absorbance
❌ nothing for NIR to detect

Minerals like sodium, iron, zinc, copper iodine, selenium & cobalt are inorganic (Williams & Norris, 2001; Meyer & Coenen, 2014).
They cannot be measured by NIR under any circumstances.

πŸ‘‰ Only ICP-OES or ICP-MS can measure minerals accurately.
πŸ§ͺ ICP Explained β€” Plain English

ICP-OES
The sample is vaporised in a plasma flame (~10,000Β°C).
Each mineral glows with its own colour.
The machine reads the colour spectrum β†’ mineral levels.

ICP-MS
Same plasma, but the machine weighs each mineral ion individually.
Ultra-sensitive β€” parts per billion.

If your minerals were tested with ICP β†’ they’re real.
If they came from NIR β†’ they’re predictions, and for WA usually wrong.

🟑 The Elephant in the Room β€” Marketing Bias
Many WA hay producers avoid sending hay to USA wet-chemistry labs because those results often show:

β€’ πŸ“ˆ Higher NSC %
β€’ πŸ“‰ Lower crude protein%
…which is the true chemistry of WA hay, but not ideal for marketing.
So some hay buyers are shown NIR results because they look β€œprettier.”

⚠️ The Cut-and-Paste Problem

β€’ Over the years we’ve seen:
β€’ πŸ“‘ Copied hay & ARGT reports
β€’ ✏️ Numbers altered
β€’ πŸ”€ Fonts altered in results
β€’ πŸ“„ Word docs pretending to be lab reports
β€’ 🏷️ Samples rebranded
β€’ ❌ Missing lab headers / sample codes

➑️ Always demand the ORIGINAL PDF, showing:
βœ” Laboratory name
βœ” Sample code
βœ” Method (NIR vs WC vs ICP)
βœ” Full carbohydrate panel (ESC, WSC, starch)

If any of that is missing β€” it’s not reliable.
This is why I now watermark all hay results being posted on social media or that are sent out to customers.

πŸ„ Ruminant vs Equine Reports
Many hay tests are designed for cattle/sheep, not horses.
Some Equine-unsafe reports may:
β€’ ❌ Omit starch
β€’ ❌ Omit WSC
β€’ ❌ Omit ESC
β€’ ❌ Use ME instead of DE

πŸ‘‰ Horse nutrition requires DE, starch, WSC and ESC β€” non-negotiable for EMS/IR horses.

πŸ§ͺ Our Own Comparison
We sent the same bale:
β€’ πŸ“¦ To an east-coast lab
β€’ 🌍 To a USA wet-chemistry lab

Results? Wildly different.
πŸ‘‰ NIR smoothed out the sugars
πŸ‘‰ Wet Chemistry showed the truth

βœ… WA Truth in One Line
🌈 NIR = screening only πŸ”¬ Wet Chemistry = truth πŸ§ͺ ICP = the only way to get real mineral values 🐴 Horse reports must include starch, WSC, ESC, and DE β€” not ruminant figures.

πŸ“Œ Summary
WA hay is chemically and environmentally unique. Because calibration libraries don’t include WA forage, NIR consistently produces inaccurate β€” and sometimes dangerously misleading β€” results.

For safe equine feeding decisions:
β€’ Use Wet Chemistry for sugars and NSC (WSC, ESC, starch).
β€’ Use ICP OES / ICP MS for minerals.
β€’ Treat NIR as screening only, never decision making.
β€’ Ensure reports are equine specific β€” not ruminant reports missing starch, WSC, ESC, or using ME.

WA hay is fantastic β€” but unique. When we use the right testing methods, we protect our horses, support honest hay producers, and keep the whole WA horse community better informed. Horses first, always.





πŸ“š References (APA 7th Style )

American Forage and Grassland Council. (2019). Forage analysis by near infrared spectroscopy (NIRS) vs. wet chemistry: Proceedings of the AFGC annual meeting. AFGC Press.

Forage & Feed Testing Consortium. (2013). Accurate analysis: NIRS versus wet chemistry. Rock River Laboratory.

Harris, P. A., Ellis, A. D., Fradinho, M. J., Jansson, A., Julliand, V., Luthersson, N., Santos, A. S., & Vervuert, I. (2018). Review of the equine digestive system and associated nutritional implications. Animal, 12(8), 1727–1740.

Jeong, E. C., Lindquist, A., & Kallenbach, R. L. (2024). Application of near-infrared spectroscopy for hay evaluation at the farm level. Animals, 14(7), 122848.

Kellon, E. M. (2020). The importance of accurate forage testing for horses with insulin resistance and laminitis. ECIR Group Technical Bulletin.

Meyer, H., & Coenen, M. (2014). Forage analysis and calibration challenges in arid regions. Equine Veterinary Nutrition Review, 9(3), 44–51.

Saha, U. K., & Lumburg, R. K. (2016). Development and validation of NIRS calibration models for forage quality analysis. Journal of Near Infrared Spectroscopy, 24(5), 421–430.

Williams, P. C., & Norris, K. H. (2001). Near-infrared technology in the agricultural and food industries (2nd ed.). American Association of Cereal Chemists.

Late as ever in the Great Southern, but green stuff is starting to emerge from the swamp :D. Please message via this pag...
09/10/2025

Late as ever in the Great Southern, but green stuff is starting to emerge from the swamp :D. Please message via this page if you want to add your name to the list for 2025-cut hay. Hay will be 5' rolls and expected ready in late December. I can't confirm numbers until we have the sugar results, and its perennial pasture so I can't guarantee its w**d free, but I feed it to our own horses and I'm happy to discuss w**ds if you want details.

Very happy with this year's hay analysis results and we do have some low sugar hay still available this year - located G...
20/01/2025

Very happy with this year's hay analysis results and we do have some low sugar hay still available this year - located Great Southern near Denmark. Delivery may be available for larger amounts.

Collecting hay samples.. I doubt my mum's old kitchen scales had this in mind when they started their new life in Austra...
23/12/2024

Collecting hay samples.. I doubt my mum's old kitchen scales had this in mind when they started their new life in Australia.

Baling in progress! It's all sold, subject to sugar testing, thanks so much to you lovely hay buyers, you know who you a...
18/12/2024

Baling in progress! It's all sold, subject to sugar testing, thanks so much to you lovely hay buyers, you know who you are. Happy Christmas!

A super cute pony eating Frog Bog Hay, with her special person with some spectacular views.Hopefully they've had a bit o...
03/06/2024

A super cute pony eating Frog Bog Hay, with her special person with some spectacular views.Hopefully they've had a bit of rain since this was taken.

03/03/2024

Just rolled out a new season roll and it looks lovely. This season's hay is all sold subject to pickup. ESC 5.4%, Starch 1.1%, WSC 10.4%, all of dry matter.

Cutting, tedding, raking, and baling in progress 😊 fingers crossed for a low sugar result. Thanks for all the inquiries,...
08/12/2023

Cutting, tedding, raking, and baling in progress 😊 fingers crossed for a low sugar result. Thanks for all the inquiries, the hay is all sold subject to sugar test.

12/11/2023

The good bits look like this, thanks to Fishforce and Australian Mineral Fertilisers. We did a side by side comparison and having a bit of a grow-off. Which the roos are doing their best to confound..

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